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Posted on: December 16, 2008, 06:16:11 pm
Posted by: Cain
Actually, I was giving you some advice. I wasn't purposefully diverting the conversation, I just don't have anything to add. Really, all I was doing was trying to get a word in edgewise and at least appear to be doing something, whereas you seem to be perfectly content entering into a pissing contest about a war that happened half a century ago.
Posted on: December 16, 2008, 05:44:12 pm
Posted by: Unker
Sorry I don't care so much about a hurried post pointing out almost every reason why the Nazi's lost and instead of addressing any of my points you divert the conversation.

That's probably because all my points are supported by facts and not really disputable.

When you can make a logical argument come talk to me.

Posted on: December 15, 2008, 08:25:38 pm
Posted by: Cain
When you learn to spell, kid, people take you a lot more seriously.
Posted on: December 14, 2008, 04:59:47 pm
Posted by: Unkerlantum
The reason the USSR made it to berlin is because hitler  and the Nazi command was retarded.

Waisting resources on raising new units for "showing off" and giving them the best equipment while forces in the field got shitty supplies.
further waisting men and resources to exterminate jews, gypsies, etc etc.

Changing plans for technological development constantly, this delayed the development of the ME-262 which at first was to be a fighter but Hitler wanted it to be a fighter bomber.

Too much emphasis on fine engineering, German tanks were engineering marvels but this led to very slow production.

A series of tactical errors like allowing thousands of allied troops to escape from Dunkurk because Hitler ordered his panzer's to stop, the German high command did the same thing on the eastern front which delayed advances for weeks. Over extending supply lines as well as
lack of modernization the Nazi's were trying to use HORSES to move materials with rapidly advancing panzer columns leading to abrupt halts on advances. This allowed the soviets to move factories east out of Nazi reach while the Nazi's over advanced or simply didnt finish.

IE Dunkurk, Stalingrad, Bastogne if the Nazi's would have actually assaulted these areas instead of seiging them and allowing for enemy forces to regroup they could have been much more successful particularly against the soviets.

There's also the matter of Hitler taking all the Panzer forces near normandy under his personal command instead of allowing his field commanders to utilize them.

Shitty allies, apart from Japan germany's ally Italy was more of a henderence than an advantage, the Nazi's had to HELP the italians in africa, then protect Mussolini's regieme,and finally the Italy itself.

Then the matter of air superiorty the fact that the Nazi's didnt give their experianced pilots rest led to loosing those veterans and only having greenhorns to combat the allies

Of course there was also the matter of mass production on the part of the allies particularly the USA
Posted on: December 09, 2008, 06:33:54 pm
Posted by: Mister Flylice (GWO)
You have to have infantry for tanks to work well. Otherwise, they just get owned by anti-tank infantry and tank killers. In short, the USSR military was shitty, and the only reason they made it to Berlin was because the US and Britain were hitting the west front.

Thus sending this discussion back to square one.
Posted on: December 06, 2008, 08:21:23 am
Posted by: Leistung
We all know what happened when the French tried their "Patriotic Human Waves" during WWI. Also, if they couldn't of beaten the USSR, how come they were at Moscow's gates while America and Britain were hitting them in the ass? If they hadn't have been, more German troops would be able to go to the Russian front.

I also don't think one crappy rifle/SMG for every five-10 men qualifies as proper.

Vive la France! Vive la liberté!  Grin

Yeah, one crappy rife isn't proper. A shitload of T-34's, however, is. And by the way, let's remember that Germany LOST World War Two. Whatever the reasoning was, democracy prevailed over fascism, just as it always does.
Posted on: December 06, 2008, 12:48:53 am
Posted by: Mister Flylice (GWO)
EC, disappointing.
RT, wow.
Ralkovia, uhhhh...
GWO, the Germans were focused on killing Jews in the camps, and were using valuable fuel and manpower to staff the camps. They could never have defeated the Soviet Union even if they tried, which was essentially frozen solid and had terrible infrastructure. The Soviets knew their land, wore proper equipment, and created envelopments without even trying. In addition, their endless manpower would eventually smush Hitler into the ground.

I find these entire arguments disgusting.

We all know what happened when the French tried their "Patriotic Human Waves" during WWI. Also, if they couldn't of beaten the USSR, how come they were at Moscow's gates while America and Britain were hitting them in the ass? If they hadn't have been, more German troops would be able to go to the Russian front.

I also don't think one crappy rifle/SMG for every five-10 men qualifies as proper.
Posted on: December 04, 2008, 09:44:15 pm
Posted by: Mister Flylice (GWO)
EC, you're not supposed to delete Complaints Department posts unless they're spam, which in this case, you have done numerous times (I deleted them).

Before Operation Barbarossa, the British weren't nearly as powerful as they were during the Battle of Britain. Rather, they weren't as prepared as they were after Barbarossa.
Posted on: December 04, 2008, 04:06:13 pm
Posted by: Leistung
You've got to be shitting me. You don't like dealing with the truth, so you delete all my posts? Mature, really.

Also, to GWO's point about conquering Britain, I must respectfully disagree. In the Battle of Britain, the Luftwaffe was essentially devastated by the Royal Air Force (a point I accept, despite the fact it means I have to hear, "there were 10 German bombers in the air" at every bloody football/soccer match), and without air support, as we've seen from history, a naval landing is doomed to failure. The fact that the Royal Navy was the largest and best-equipped in the world also wouldn't have helped.
Posted on: December 03, 2008, 11:48:51 pm
Posted by: Stoklomolvi
EC, disappointing.
RT, wow.
Ralkovia, uhhhh...
GWO, the Germans were focused on killing Jews in the camps, and were using valuable fuel and manpower to staff the camps. They could never have defeated the Soviet Union even if they tried, which was essentially frozen solid and had terrible infrastructure. The Soviets knew their land, wore proper equipment, and created envelopments without even trying. In addition, their endless manpower would eventually smush Hitler into the ground.

I find these entire arguments disgusting.
Posted on: December 03, 2008, 07:28:02 pm
Posted by: East Congaree
OOOH OOH JEWS ROCK AND THEY ARE SO NICE AND AWESOME LIKE BIGASS BOMB ON JAPAN AND CHERRIES ARE THE BOOB SPECIALITY OF THE JEWS ALONG WITH THE COCONUT AND OOOH OOOH RUSSIANS ARE SO AWESOME THEY SHOULD HAVE ALL OF AFRO-EURASIA FOR THEIR EASTERN OTHRODOX CUNTS AND OMG THE USSR UNDER STALIN COULD HAVE DESTROYED THE WORLD AND ALL THE ALIEN RACES OUT THERE

Rly
Posted on: December 02, 2008, 09:57:57 pm
Posted by: Mister Flylice (GWO)
Actually, had Hitler attacked Britain instead of Russia when he launched Operation Barbarossa, Britain would've been conquered easily (Their infrastructure was essentially destroyed), and America would most likely devote their forces to fighting Japan instead of Germany (As it would be too late to save their ally). Russia launching an invasion against Nazi Germany by themselves? That would've been a laugh.

Now, one of the main reasons Hitler lost is because he had multiple fronts to fight. That's right, he was invading countries too fast. He said that he didn't necessarily WANT to invade Britain, as they were fellow whites/Aryans, et cetera. Most likely, he thought Britain would return the favor of Germany letting them live, and thus, didn't view them as a threat.

Thinking the Soviet Union could've held back the Germans by themselves is ridiculous. I mean, the Germans made it to Moscow in a few months, and eventually Britain and America came in on the West front, so they had to split their forces. If they had been able to focus their military might on Russia, there would've been no Red Menace after the 40s.
Posted on: December 02, 2008, 08:16:27 pm
Posted by: Rykarian Territories
I know, because we all know that Germany won WWII...

It's not like we got our asses kicked by the British time and time again. It's not like they destroyed our entire military-industrial complex. It's not like they occupied Berlin after the war. Yeah, in this scenario, scissors beats EVERYTHING.

If america didnt come running to save Russia and Britains asses, Hitler would have conquered them both.

Hitler alone was pummeling the **** out of churchills fat limey ass, V2 strikes on london crippled that **** city.
Posted on: December 02, 2008, 07:49:42 pm
Posted by: East Congaree
Roosevelt was also a communist hungerwhore who should have been burned by napalm. He **** up the Democratic party.
Posted on: December 02, 2008, 07:48:46 pm
Posted by: East Congaree
**** off you pagan jerks.
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